this is sick!

**Experienced Poster** Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Posts: 268

I suggest you don't watch it. No woman wants to watch something that degrading to women. In this day and age it disgusts me to know that women still do stuff like that to move up the corporate ladder. And that it actually works! Well, temporarily, until something better (or blonder)comes along.

**Experienced Poster** Joined: 09 Sep 2005 Posts: 351

Why HELLO horse, r u dead????????

*kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick*

I get a picture of Rainman kicking a horse when I hear a striker bring up that video, it's really not that interesting or degrading.

**Rookie Poster** Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 46

isnt interesting how it is so easy to completely rationalize one's position thru denial and emotion...

our history lesson are full of it....

it is so easy to say black is white....even against all the odds of reality...simply deny reality...

the simple fact is this dispute is sick...sick...sick...

no matter how anyone wants to colour this dispute the ceo is right in the middle and has not kept the high road...

no matter how you cut it the workforce has been seriously divided...attitudinal changes are being entrenched...just read this topic to see...

no matter how you see it the ceo will not be much affected by the outcome of this dispute ...he is financially set for life...the loosers here will be the workers....and you tell me the workers are not pawns....what a joke...

how anyone can support a ceo bent on this path is beyond my comprhension....i just cant see how the fallout can be ignored...the fallout in the workplace and the marketshare will ultimately affect the number of jobs and the bottom line...

this is sick!!!

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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 10:42 am Post subject:

Quoting mirrormirrors previous post - slightly edited to make a point & show how this works both ways...look for words in bold. Twisted Evil

isn't interesting how it is so easy to completely rationalize one's position thru denial and emotion...

our history lesson are full of it....

it is so easy to say black is white....even against all the odds of reality...simply deny reality...

the simple fact is this dispute is sick...sick...sick...

no matter how anyone wants to colour this dispute the union leader is right in the middle and has not kept the high road...

no matter how you cut it the workforce has been seriously divided...attitudinal changes are being entrenched...just read this topic to see...

no matter how you see it the union leader will not be much affected by the outcome of this dispute ...he is financially set for life...the losers here will be the workers....and you tell me the workers are not pawns....what a joke...

how anyone can support a union leader bent on this path is beyond my comprehension....i just cant see how the fallout can be ignored...the fallout in the workplace and the marketshare will ultimately affect the number of jobs and the bottom line...

this is sick!!!

See how easy that was mirrormiror? There are many people that feel the union execs are just as responsible for this whole situation coming to a head.....the difference is that while we acknowledge the company hasn't been perfect (but the lesser of the two evils IMO) you seem to be in complete denial about the role the union & its leaders have played in all of this. Every single one of your posts in this thread mirrors the philosophy of the union - don't take responsibility for your choices or actions....just blame someone else.
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**Advanced Poster** Joined: 03 Sep 2005 Posts: 877

Thank you its just me I was going to do that, now I don't have to
the Union execs are making piles of bucks and sitting back and enjoying the whole thing. I think they also work for TELUS, feet on both sides of the fence, can someone check it out.
I don't think Darren works for the TWU at all. He at least knows what side of the fence he is on. so he can give 100%. The TWU can't go all the way they may destroy the company therefore themselves. Ask yourself who can survive without the other its not the TWU

As for being sick, If I wasn't sick before I am now. Being out on the street for the winter makes me really angry. and don't tell me the company put me there. It is not true.

**Veteran Poster** Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 1730

point taken itsmylife.
This is a p**sing contest and we in the middle are getting disgustingly wet.

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IML, Entwistle is as I have repeated over and over, an employee and he can be fired for screwing up. Trouble is… he’s not screwing up. The TWU must be telling people that Telus is actually Daren Entwistle’s company because he is the only bogeyman I ever hear being paraded out by the TWU.

I have no idea why they think talking that guy down is going to make one damn bit of difference to any of us. Telus is a Mega machine, and DE is turning some of the dials, but he sure a hell is not the one causing all of you to suffer. Hating a man is a much easier thing than hating, say capitalism, or progress, or Philippine call centres… focus on the challenge of solving the problem, try starting with talking to your union and pushing them to solve the problems.

Choose your friends carefully people.

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:46 pm Post subject:

NC.....agreed 100%! I think Darren is doing a damn fine job....just look at the price of TELUS shares & how well they're doing. The company has kept on going, showing they will do it with or without the union.....they are making decisions that are going ensure this company exists in the future. The union, well they don't seem to have anything they can really attack other than Darren himself....grasping at straws IMO.

DE has to answer to the BOD & shareholders....he's gone if he screws up, but what about Bruce? When will he answer to the people he is supposed to represent?
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**Veteran Poster** Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 1730

what about what that Michael Levy said about other exec.'s in Telus not liking the way this was going.
I am not sure he is not screwing up..time will tell and I dont think we will ever get the full story.
whatever happens here i feel a future employer would look at the whole picture not just the past year or so. He has good prospectives. If he is trying to break the union...well he is making a good attempt. That would have to count for something on his resume.

**Rookie Poster** Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 46

i have been being the devil's advocate on this topic...look at the resonses my topic has generated...

dont tell me there are not strong points of view and feelings here...just read the posts again if you are having trouble seeing thru the trees...

this dispute is no longer about a contract...it is no longer about which leader did what first...it is not about who is doing what for what reason...

this dispute is now about employees who used to work shoulder to shoulder forming strong and emotional opposing views...this dispute is about two sides...one in...the smaller one and one out...the larger one...

this dispute is about people...the employees...the ceo is fixed financially for life regardless of the outcome...most employees are not...most employees need to work for quite few years..

anyone who has an inkling of leadership training should know that when you go against the masses serious problems are the result...they should also know that the best way to accomplish a company goal is to provide a leadership style that is respected by the workforce...and to build trust by supporting and encouraging the workforce to make the necessary adjustments to make the company more productive...

the current ceo tried to move a mountain with a leadership style that was not matched to the nature of the workforce..he failed..he then tried to move the mountain with a show of force...he is failing again...

in observing this dispute for a number of years it is my opinion that the ceo has failed to provide the leadership style need to achieve success with this company...to bring about the changes needed to permit to be competitive...

no as i have stated before i am not an employee but an outsider who has taken the time to research both sides of this dispute...combined with my experience in both management and workforce positions it is my honest opinion that this dispute is sick and is rapidly accelerating to the downfall of honest and hard working folk...the employees...

in taking the devil's advocate on this topic i think i have adequately shown that now matter what i say ..it is seen as coming from the enemy's camp and the responses have been as opposing as my statements...i would guess the conviction behind the replies are strongly felt...

and that simply is what is making this dispute sicker by the day...opposing views with strong conviction...i am guessing at one time you used to work should to shoulder....i can only see from my experience that it is going to take a long time after this is over to make the shoulder to shoulder feel comfortable ....and the longer this dispute continues...the strong the feelings...etc...etc...etc

this is not like watching a hockey game and rooting for various teams...this is about employees, their families and their lives...

i challenge any readers to show me how dividing the troops and allowing strong opposing views and emotions to become entrenched will benefit the workforce...and make the company more competitive...

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