this is sick!

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john doe....
imho...your statements are exactly what is fueling this dispute...no matter what the other side sez you have a pat answer for trying to turn it around like a spin doctor rather than thinking about the virtues of the message...i dont think that approach will lead to any solution...

a different leadership stlye is now need to resolve this dispute...people like you are so entrenched on both sides of the picket line....no reslove is possible...the ceo has taken the company in a direction that has no end in sight....only more division and bitterness...

and you i bet can honestly see the ceo coming out of this untarnished?

and you can honestly look yourself in the eye and say" i will be able with no problem at all to work side by side with my fellow workers out on the picket line"...

your in denial if you can....aint gonna happen...the longer this dispute is allowed to continue the worse its gonna get pal...

trust me...been there seen that...

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:45 am Post subject:

I agree Mirror, a change in the union leadership is greatly needed. Someone younger, more in touch with todays industry and economy. Someone who has a future with the company, and is not preparing for retirement. Give Bruce our best when you break the news to him, won't you.
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:48 am Post subject:

I aggree
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scab

Your comment "jealous?" really speaks highly of you. That is the most ignorant and callous comment you have here. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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Thanks LetsVote....I just get so tired of the "it's all their fault" kind of attitude that has been displayed so many times by the union & its supporters.

I have seen many people post comments that it's TELUS who refuses to bargain or have done so in bad faith (ya ya cirb rulings whatever....funny how the ones who are so quick to point that out, never mention the numerous TWU motions/charges that the cirb denied in those same rulings). The thing is, I personally would have a hell of a time bargaining with someone who has gone out of their way to attack me personally instead of dealing with the real issues.....I'm kinda stubborn that way I guess. Wink

Anyone remember those tv ads put out by the TWU almost 2 years ago? What the hell was that all about (the turning point on my opinion of the TWU), not to mention a big fat waste of money......oh & I do believe the cirb or crtc gave them fluff for that - and fined them for it too? I haven't had time to look for anything on that but I seem to remember the whole fiasco cost them in the millions....making a tv commercial isn't cheap! I'd be interested to see any articles, etc. about that if anyone knows where to find them!

As for the union execs, it's time they step up to the plate, take some responsibility for their part in this whole mess & work on resolution instead of the latest smear campaign against the company & DE. Maybe then they would be taken seriously at the bargaining table.
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ItsMyLife wrote:

Thanks LetsVote....I just get so tired of the "it's all their fault" kind of attitude that has been displayed so many times by the union & its supporters.

I have seen many people post comments that it's TELUS who refuses to bargain or have done so in bad faith (ya ya cirb rulings whatever....funny how the ones who are so quick to point that out, never mention the numerous TWU motions/charges that the cirb denied in those same rulings). The thing is, I personally would have a hell of a time bargaining with someone who has gone out of their way to attack me personally instead of dealing with the real issues.....I'm kinda stubborn that way I guess. Wink

Anyone remember those tv ads put out by the TWU almost 2 years ago? What the hell was that all about (the turning point on my opinion of the TWU), not to mention a big fat waste of money......oh & I do believe the cirb or crtc gave them s*** for that - and fined them for it too? I haven't had time to look for anything on that but I seem to remember the whole fiasco cost them in the millions....making a tv commercial isn't cheap! I'd be interested to see any articles, etc. about that if anyone knows where to find them!

As for the union execs, it's time they step up to the plate, take some responsibility for their part in this whole mess & work on resolution instead of the latest smear campaign against the company & DE. Maybe then they would be taken seriously at the bargaining table.

I think most people here on the picketting side would agree that both parties need to bargain. But having said that, the biggest problem is a few sentences that would allow for contracting out..why cant the lawyers for Telus reword them. They say they are not getting rid of jobs...but want that language in there to allow them to. But give us their word they wont. So....why not just change those words to reflect what they mean.

I agree about negetive stuff. In any election if it gets dirty..and the opposing party brings in personal stuff..I usually wont vote for them, it would make me vote for the attacked party..unless of course they both are doing it.However....I think i could care less what they said if i was making his bucks....lol. I would think Darren has big shoulders and would realize most people dont like to hear that kind of stuff and would take it with a grain of salt.

Then ....there are the actual reports of real stuff happening..like Karen R. stating on a radio show calls wouldnt go overseas..then 10 days later doing it.. or Telus Idol. Those are legitimate.... we need to hear that stuff. If the union was doing stuff like that it would be fair game to report it.

Regarding the TV ads I vaguely remember them. I would like to see them. If I remember correctly they had a point didnt they..Telus puts megabucks into advertizing and not much into staff. That was a point made by Pia Shandel on her radio talk show yesterday. She and alot of the public are sick and tired of paying for large marketing costs ( not just talking about Telus)when it could be put into the customer service.

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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:05 pm Post subject:

Jorver wrote:

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:22 pm Post subject:

IML you are soooo right.

the whole problem with bargaining in this dispute has been where to start.

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ok iml...that could be turned right around..why couldnt telus do the same with the TWU counter offer.